I have just finished reading a short HuffPo piece by Victor Stenger on the incompatibility of science and religion, but it’s hard to miss the fact that democracy and religion are really incompatible too. This is not often mentioned, because obviously politics is simply drenched in religion practically everywhere you look. What would American politics look like without religion? What would the Malaysian government do without Jews to hate? What would the Tory party in Britain do without its religious nut-cases like Jeremy Hunt, who has the audacity to set back, by decades, the rights of women, and then to say that it has nothing to do with his Christianity, which, he adds, simperingly, he does not broadcast? But just as you can be a scientist and go on believing in sky fairies without apparent conflict, even though religion and science really are incompatible, you can also be a politician and proclaim your religion from the housetops, even though religion and politics, at least politics that regards human rights with any respect, are really incompatible.
The point is this. Governance, just like science, should be based on reason and evidence, and not just on one’s personal prejudices, because one’s personal prejudices have no place in the making of laws, which should be blind to religious belief. If they’re not, this means that laws are being made that are supported only be those who have the current religious beliefs, and that’s not politics, that’s tyranny. Why is it becoming increasingly acceptable for people to voice their religious opinions in the public square, and seek to base laws upon those opinions, when it can be known, simply by a survey, that either a majority, or a significant minority, of constituents do not hold the religious opinions upon which so many members of legislatures are quite prepared to base their lawmaking? How is this different from simply flipping a coin, and deciding for laws based on a simple rule of “heads” for the passing of laws, and “tails” for their defeat?
Just consider, once again (I promise, I’ll let him go soon), Jeremy Hunt’s proposal that the limits for abortion on the United Kingdom should be lowered to 12 weeks gestation (the first trimester, as they say). There is absolutely no scientific basis for this change, as the experts have been quick to point out, wondering where on earth the Health secretary, who has just taken over the role, gets his information. Not only is there no evidence in favour of such a move, there is plenty of evidence that it would be nothing short of a catastrophe for many women. But Hunt doesn’t care a fig about women or women’s rights. This should be amply clear by now. He doesn’t care about women. He doesn’t care about their lives. He has no interest in them at all. All he’s thinking of, even though he claims not to be doing so, is his religious revulsion at the thought of abortion itself, and that’s all he needs to make an arbitrary declaration that the cut off for legal abortions should be the end of the first trimester of pregnancy. See — just like flipping a coin! And then, of course — you can see it coming, can’t you? — others will say 20 weeks, and people will think they’re making a compromise, even though there is no more reason for drawing this line either, but at least popes and archbishops will approve.
So, as I say, the same thing goes for the alternative suggestion, to have the limit placed at 20 weeks instead of 24, even though it is well-known that the viability of the foetus at 20 weeks is practically nill, and of those that do survive, a great number go on to live lives seriously compromised by disability. So, the 20 week limit has no justification in the facts either. And is the issue of viability even relevant to the issue of women’s rights regarding their reproductive decisions? Like any other line 20 weeks is simply an arbitrary line drawn in the sand, the only reason for which, even with Maria Miller (the Minister for Women, of all things!) protesting that it is the “new feminist” thing to do, because it will prevent women from making a decision which will have serious psychological repercussions. But this, again, has nothing to do with feminism, and why shouldn’t women be allowed to make their own decisions, even if they do have psychological repercussions? Once again, it has to do, fundamentally, with religion, even though almost no one is saying this. There’s no reason for doing it; it’s just that conservatives, even when they are simply unaware of it, are still being tugged around by their religious presuppositions, and that the “miniature person” at the heart of all their deliberations is as much a person as you or I, because — what other reason could they possibly give — God has endowed it with a soul.
Now let’s move to another political scene, the one where the afflatus of the past year has died down, and no one is talking about the “Arab Spring” any more. Instead, people are beginning to talk of an Islamic winter, with uneasy “democracies” — as people insist on calling them still — wrestle with the question of how prominent Islam should be in the shape of their future. Women, who played such a huge role in the Egyptian “revolution” are now being put back into their place, and denied a role even in political parties that were founded by women! And this, we are being told, is democracy in action.
Alas, it is not so, and, whether Islam and democracy are or are not compatible, it seems that the future for Muslim majority countries is not going to be democratic, even though their “revolutions” were seeking self-determination, a self-determination that seems more and more under threat in Tunisia and Egypt, and where even democracies held to be functioning, like Malaysia’s, depend to such a great degree on antisemitism (see Robert Fulford on “Anti-Semitism without Jews in Malaysia“). The government even publishes sermons to be read out in mosques. As Fulford says:
Last March, for instance, the Federal Territory Islamic Affairs Department sent out an official sermon to be read in all mosques, stating that “Muslims must understand Jews are the main enemy to Muslims as proven by their egotistical behaviour and murders performed by them.” About 60% of Malaysians are Muslim.
Richard Bulliet, professor of History at Columbia, says, in a New York Times symposium, that
[i]f democracy is to be born in the Muslim world, religious political parties will be the midwives.
This seems so counter-intuitive that it almost amounts to a contradiction. Notice that he doesn’t say “Islamic political parties” (or even “Islamist political parties”) but “religious political parties,” but it is the ability of Islam to accommodate democracy that is in question. Indeed, another of the NYT symposiasts (and of course an ”expert” in Islam) tells us quite authoritatively that
Islam is not incompatible with democracy. Throughout South and Southeast Asia, Islamic and largely Islamic societies have experimented admirably with democracy.
(The qualification “experiented with” is a nice touch!) And one even suggests that Muhammad’s rule in Medina is an example of Islamic pluralism in action. She does not mention the slaughter of an entire Jewish tribe during Muhammad’s Medina period. Indeed, she tells us that
[w]hat the Islamic tradition does commend in the socio-political sphere is the practice and exemplification of certain values, including equality of all individuals, noncompulsion, respect for diversity and respect for the communal whole.
This is said by Jerusha Tanner Lamptey, who teaches Islam and ministry at Union Theological Seminary, but I find it very hard to find these values exemplified at any period in Islamic history. Indeed, the fact that in most of its stages Islam was something in the nature of a protection racket, extorting money from people in exchange for “protection,” even though the people so treated were socially oppressed, and subject to periodic outbreaks of what in India is called “communal violence,” a lesson well learnt by their descendents, among whom it is dangerous to live as a religious minority.
What I find completely bewildering is the way that Islamic experts tend to interpret Islam (as though they were ever put into practice) in terms of a few cherry-picked verses from the Qu’ran and other authoritative sources. Christianity, by these lights, is a paragon of virtue, love, forgiveness, and long-suffering. But the teachings of religions are largely irrelevant to an understanding of what they stand for in practice. Religions are always concentrations of power, and just as power in the hands of communists, whose ideology of “from everyone according to their ability to everyone according to their need” seemed so forward-looking and hopeful, concentrations of power will be misused. That’s simply the way power works. This is not about the teachings of Islam, which, like any religion, can so easily be cherry-picked for product control. In those terms, Islam is almost quietist, full of compassion and mercy. But, as Tom Holland points out, if Islam is, as it is most likely to have been, the product of empire, it is to this imperialism that we should look to discern its nature, just as Christianity is best known in terms of its repression of dissent, rather than in its emphasis on love and mercy, given its period of formation as the religion of the Roman imperium.
And that is why religion and politics are incompatible. In the end, religions simply cannot compromise as politics demands. They are absoloutisms, even though they typically sugar coat themselves when they put themselves on show for the delectation of others, but when they are in power, they use power to dehumanise and control. That’s what power unchecked does, and that’s why religion and politics should be kept far apart. For religions are, at their very heart, totalitarian, especially in their monotheistic forms, though ancient polytheisms are not immune to the lure of power. Religions have beliefs which they think everyone will benefit from holding and, if not holding, being held to. And that is why religion in politics, whether in the democracies, or the new and experimental Islamic forms of democracy, is incompatible with human freedoms, and human rights. Religions are simply not to be trusted, for, like all ideologies, they aim to become the dominant expression of their cultures. Christians like Jeremy Hunt will continue to think of Britain as a Christian country, even though only a minority of Britons believe in God, and, because it is a Christian country, he will go on believing that it should have Christian laws, regardless of the evidence. It’s the way that religions function. Religion is as incompatible with politics — certainly democratic politics – as it is with science.
Eric, I agree with the central idea of your post, which I prefer to reword as “Organized, institutional religion and representative democracy are almost always incompatible.” Private or personal religious belief and ritual practice are neither compatible nor incompatible with democracy; one has to get down into the details of special cases. But organized religion, as a means for declaring and claiming group identity and group allegiance to dogma, is just about always authoritarian.
I am as thoroughgoing an empiricist as the next bloke, but I don’t think that governance should be based only on reason and evidence.” That’s probably not what you meant, and you wrote “not just on one’s personal prejudices.” Personal prejudices frequently have a prominent place in the making of laws, and it’s probably unavoidable, so long as our legislators and appellate court judges continue to be human beings. “Reason” and “evidence” are among the most effective and valuable checks on “personal prejudice” in governance and in legislating, and we could certainly benefit from more of the first two.
But I have a longer list of levers or motivators for effective governance: Empathy (being able to shift one’s perspective to other citizens), tolerance, and simple human compassion are among them. I don’t think that you, Eric, or any of the other regulars here woudl dispute that. In fact, one of Jeremy Hunt’s problems (in addition to his patent insincerity about the influence of his personal prejudices and superstitions, and his faulty epistemology) seems to be a lack of empathy for the half of humanity with XX chromosomes.
According to the BBC website, today 7th Oct 2012: ‘Meanwhile, former shadow home secretary [of the UK] David Davis told a conference fringe event: “Gay marriage is an issue for the church, not the state.”‘ Is Christianity once more compulsory in the UK? How can he seriously not see the problem with that statement? It’s breathtaking.
Republican member of the US House of Representatives science committee and medical doctor Paul Broun dismisses evolution, the big bang theory and embryology as “lies straight from the pit hell.” What more can I say, other than he is probably a climate change denier too.
@Michael: “What more can I say, other than he is probably a climate change denier too.”
What, along with about eighteen thousand scientists and roughly thirty-five percent of the population of the English-speaking world? What a dastardly villain!
But if you want to contribute seriously to the AGW debate there are two things you need to bear in mind: firstly, that ‘denier’ is deeply insulting, and secondly, that it’s untrue. Nobody seriously denies that the climate changes all the time; sceptics just feel that alarmists haven’t yet come up with enough evidence to reject the null hypothesis that those changes are natural, and not caused by an extra four molecules of carbon dioxide in every ten thousand atoms of air. Mainly, of course, because there hasn’t actually been any ‘global’ warming for fifteen years.
@corio37: Please read http://tamino.wordpress.com/ to learn why you are wrong in so, so many ways.
@Eric: Is any “pro-life” decision regarding abortion automatically a religious decision in your view?
Phillip. Is any “pro-life” decision regarding abortion automatically religious. No, not automatically, but the only reasons that I know for removing the choice from women are religious. Have you got another? Religions tend to exclude women — almost universally — and so they simply disappear (Ophelia refers to a graphic at Taslima Nasreen’s blog. That about sums it up.) Women simply disappear when religious is spotlighted, and Jeremy Hunt does a good job pretending that they don’t really exist as thinking persons, with lives of their own and projects, plans, hopes and fears, who have a capacity for making their own choices about their lives.
Jeff D. I don’t think we disagree. When you speak of
you are really including things that provide relevant evidence is making legislative decisions. Religious people tend to overlook these things, simply because they already “know”. But as one writer in the Globe and Mail says, the idea of freedom of religion often sends the wrong message — as our new office of Religious Freedom will almost certainly do. The most important religious freedom is freedom from religion, but most religious believers tend to believe that freedom of religion gives them some sort of right to impose their beliefs on others, and when this is rebuffed tend to argue that their freedom has been restricted. The whole article is worth it.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/religious-freedom-sends-the-wrong-message-to-the-wrong-people/article4591927/
One can and should have morality independently of religion. Morality usually includes concepts such as personal rights etc. I’m sure there are people who, while not “pro life” in the usual sense, would object to at least post-natal abortion without being in any sense of the term religious. The Christian right caricatures “pro-choice” people as casually munching on babys, which is of course an exaggeration. I suspect that there are many non-religious people who don’t share the view that abortion at any stage is ethical. Probably, they aren’t very vocal about it since as you mention late-stage abortions are rare and rational people tend to concentrate on more pressing problems.
Yes, it is probably only religious people who are scared of women, sexuality and human beings in general. That certainly plays a role, particularly among the more vocal adherents to this view. However, I think that even among most religious people this is not the main argument in favour of being “pro-life” and might not even be an argument at all. Rather, they believe the fetus is a person from a very early time (usually from the moment of conception). I disagree with this stance, but don’t see how any progress can be made in the debate by assuming that all “pro-life” people have this position because they are interested in controlling women. Rather, they will probably, rightly, conclude that it is not worth arguing with someone who doesn’t even understand their position.
I can vaguely imagine some religions that respect autonomy and difference of opinion enough that they might be able to sustain a reasonable semblance of democracy, but the popular stripes of Islam and Christianity certainly would not be on that list.
The Middle East seems intent on proving that they do not want democracy in a coherent form when they elect fundamentalist parties to office. I shudder at military solutions to dealing with fundamentalism, but many signs point to Islamic domination being held up only by opportunity and not by intent, which narrows the choices in dealing with it considerably.
Eric, your premise rests on this: “The point is this. Governance, just like science, should be based on reason and evidence, and not just on one’s personal prejudices, because one’s personal prejudices have no place in the making of laws, which should be blind to religious belief.”
And it fails because of one word: “should”. Science is so based. But politics is not based on that ideal. Democracy, politics and governance all are based as much on lies, distortions, half-truths, spin, greed, hero worship, concentrations of power, manipulating people, false advertising, character assassination, etc., etc., etc. And this is politics, governance and democracy as known and practiced everywhere in the world where I have read about it or observed its practice… but most certainly in the U.S. and Canada. Consequently politics, governance and democracy are perfectly compatible with religion and we see them performing their miserable dance together everywhere except where religion is dead or dying.
When making comparisons to governance, politics and democracy it might be better to use the real as the ideal does not yet exist, though we fight on for it.
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Corio, I hate to break it to you, but humans are natural. We are part of the biosphere and even if climate has fluctuated in the past “normally” without humans this doesn’t mean humans cannot influence it now. To claim organisms don’t influence the environment is nonsense – they have and they will even without humans. Look at how photosynthetic organisms influenced oxygen concentrations. We have been burning large amounts of fossil fuels – carbon that was stored and out of the global carbon cycle – starting 150 years ago – estimates of 6+ Gton/yr currently and perhaps 6000 Gton still available to burn. We have also been cutting down forests which store large amounts of carbon. All of this is turned into carbon dioxide. Do you think we will hurt our chances of survival if we reduce carbon dioxide emission? Do you think the earth will be a less inhabitable place if we reduce carbon dioxide emissions? Will the earth be a worse place, if we leave the fossil fuels in the ground and develop more sustainable energy sources? If so please tell us how shifting to other sources will make things worse.
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