Jerry Coyne has already put up a critique of Russell Stannard’s HuffPo piece on the limits of science and the demand for humility, Russell Stannard being amongst those scientists who think that humility consists in injecting religious questioning into the scientific enterprise. In his article, “Science: A Call for Humility,” he raises the humility question in relation to scientific theory, not by suggesting that there is still more for science to learn — which is where real scientific humility lies — but by suggesting that we can always ask the question: Where do scientific theories come from?
After saying that Stephen Hawking has offered M-Theory as the ultimate theory of everything, Stannard explains, the ultimate question is still not answered, even if we knew what M-Theory looks like when written down; for,
even if the M-theory hypothesis is correct, does it in fact answer the question of “Why is there something rather than nothing?” It would certainly account for the existence of the world. But would it not raise a fresh question: “Where did M-theory come from? What is responsible for its existence?”
To which Jerry Coyne’s answer is decisive:
M-theory (an extension of string theory) was suggested by Edward Witten in 1995. That’s where it came from. A theory is a model of nature produced by a human brain.
This is something that Stannard apparently does not understand, for he goes on with a long spiel about the inability of knowing things-in-themselves:
What has been written down is not a description of the world at all, but a description of acts of observation made on the world. All our customary scientific terms such as energy, momentum, position, speed, distance, time, etc. — they are terms specifically for the description of observations. It is a misuse of language to try and apply them to a world-in-itself divorced from the action of an observation. It is this misuse of language that leads to problems like that posed by the wave/particle paradox. Which is not to say that the world-in-itself does not exist outside the context of someone making an observation of it. Rather, as Werner Heisenberg asserted, all attempts to talk about the world-in-itself are rendered meaningless.
The problem here of wave-particle duality is a problem of description, not a problem of reality. As Victor Stenger says in his recent book, God and the Folly of Faith:
Well, duh. Do you expect an object to have a particle property when you measure a wave property and a wave property when you measure a particle property? Physical objects have both properties, and no act of human consciousness has anything to say about it. [41]
The point here is Russell Stannard’s simple-minded realism, or what he thinks should be the direct one-to-one correspondence between mind events (brain events) and the properties of the physical world. What we have, as Hawking and Mlodinov pointed out is what they call “model-dependent realism” (which is why I say that their opening statement of the death of philosophy is a bit premature — a point at which I would agree with Stannard, who says much the same thing), which means that we can only speak of what is “out there” by using models, that is, as Jerry Coyne says, theories produced by the human brain. That’s where M-theory comes from, despite Stannard’s rather silly idea that in developing such theories we are in some sense reading the mind of god . Of course, Stannard doesn’t say that in his HuffPo article, but that is what he is clearly angling for, but there is no reason for making the leap from the limitations of human knowledge to the plenary knowledge that Stannard apparently believes underlies our ability to know only in part.
But the main thing that Stannard is missing in all this is, first of all, that the modesty that he thinks is called for is already something that really defines science as it is practiced. In his article Stannard suggests that modesty is not something that characterises his more optimistic fellow scientists:
All we can realistically do [he writes at the end] is achieve whatever knowledge is open to us to understand. This might well fall short of the expectations of my more optimistic fellow scientists. I think a little humility is in order.
If all he has to go on here is Stephen Hawking’s claim that M-theory may provide a theory of everything, then he is being misleading, for Hawking never suggests that M-theory is the only possible theory. The difference between Hawkins and Stannard is not Stannard’s modesty and Hawking’s overweening optimism. The difference is that Hawking suggests that we have at least one theory, and may have others, that provide a satisfactory answer to the question of why there is something rather than nothing that does not require the assumption of a creator. Stannard thinks that this in itself is somehow already to leap over tall buildings, instead of showing the kind of intellectual modesty that is demanded by the nature of human knowing. Stannard wants to make the jump to god at some point, and he thinks this is modesty?! Should modesty not lead one instead to say, “We just don’t know and may never know,” as Jerry Coyne points out? Instead, that is, of making an appeal to a religious resolution of the problem of the limits of our theories, or the physical limits of our testing procedures? Sure, it may take a Hadron Collider larger than the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland. Perhaps it requires something larger than we could conceivably build. Then our knowledge and our theoretical models will never be adequate to answer the questions that we can formulate. Does this mean that we have to make the jump to god? No, it just means that we have to acknowledge that our mental equipment is inadequate to the task, but at the same time we have to acknowledge that that equipment has already far outstretched the limits of what it evolved to do. Our mental capacities were, in the first instance, selected for survival and reproductive fitness, but this says nothing at all about their suitability for the scientific quest. That they have led us through mystery after mystery, removing the veils that were once thought, by the religious mind, to hide secrets not meant for the human mind to penetrate, is something that should be celebrated, not dismissed by such as Stannard, searching blindly for something to hang his religious prejudices upon, and to reassure his fellow believers that science is somehow unequal to the task it sets itself, and that, in the end ……, well, god! This is simply to capitulate to ignorance, not to express epistemic modesty.
If Stannard wants to do epistemology, then he should do it thoughtfully and with some rigour, not dash off a piece of pabulum for the Huffinton Post. This piece of religio-scientific trivia appears in the Huffington Post section devoted to science, not religion. It is a knock-off of his book The End of Discovery: Are We Approaching the Boundaries of the Knowable? But it doesn’t really achieve anything. It hasn’t shown that Stannard’s fellow scientists have not expressed appropriate modesty, for they have, and they continue to do so. The whole project of science is an extended exercise in epistemic modesty, for it always allows for the possibility of error. As Jerry Coyne points out, science continually acknowledges things that it does not, and perhaps can never know, and yet it goes on, as he says, finding out stuff. “Yet,” he says, ”there will always be unanswered questions and, as string theory shows, answers that we might not be able to verify.” And nothing justifies claims to other ways of knowing about the things to which science addresses itself. There never comes a point where we can say that this is where god comes in as an explanatory principle, for the introduction of such a principle would be neither suitably modest, nor would it be explanatory. It would simply be a denial that we can know, and the only way to reach that point is simply to carry on the scientific quest to that end, and then to say, “We don’t know.” Scientific humility must always end with that question, if, indeed, it does reach the end of the knowable. Jumping over the traces at this point is not modesty, but arrogance, and a pretence that the end of the knowable can be surmounted by knowledge of a different kind. But if it is not knowable, it really is not knowable, after all, and calling it religion won’t resolve the contradiction.
As Stannard himself says in his HuffPo article:
It is something that evolved in response to the need of our ancestors to find food, shelter, and avoid predators. It enabled them to survive to the point where they could mate and pass on their genes. The brain was part of their survival kit. Why therefore should anyone think that such an imperfect instrument should be capable of mastering all knowledge regardless of whether it has any relevance to survival?
Some of which is well said. But where does anyone suggest that the human mind is “capable of mastering all knowledge?” And what, indeed, does that mean? Certainly the mind can master all knowledge, insofar as it can master those things which it can know — that is, the knowable – many of which are yet to be discovered. If Stannard is suggesting that what exists independently of the mind is knowledge, as he seems to, then he is presupposing a universal knower of some kind. However, by suggesting that there are limits to the knowable, that is, of things that the mind is capable of knowing, he is suggesting precisely the opposite of this. (Somewhere along the way he simply forgets that he has more or less accepted Hawking and Mlodinov’s “model-dependent realism.”) My conclusion is that he is confused about what he means by knowledge and the knowable, and what would constitute humility in the face of it, and I suspect that the confusion is due to his religious beliefs, and how the concept of god somehow posits a dimension beyond anything accessible to the human mind and its limits. This confusion, I suspect, is what lies at the heart of the accommodationism of science and religion. It wants to claim a dimension of knowledge that lies beyond the humanly knowable, but it has not provided a basis in its theory of knowledge for this dimension. The result is that someone like Stannard can speak of both the limits of the knowable, and yet include what lies beyond that limit in the knowable, as in fact being a part of knowledge, and it is that fatal ambiguity that permits him to think of science and religion as somehow occupying the same realm. What he does not recognise is the implicit contradiction that lies at the heart of his thinking about the relation of science and religion.
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I’ve felt for some time that many religious people define “humility” differently than the rest of us. I also find it somewhat disconcerting that a great number of people may equate “seeking a greater understanding of how the universe works” with “arrogance.”
“A little humility is in order.”
This coming from a guy who thinks that the all-powerful creator of everything cares deeply and specifically about him.
Seriously. Do these guys even get the concept of humility?
Thoughtful post Eric. My first reactions:
My impression is that thinking about things without referring to imaginary super-beings is an arrogant thing to do. Dear oh dear. Let’s be humble and just pray for such enlightenment as the Creator deems appropriate for our limited brains. That way we can have proper medicine and aeroplanes without having to do any work (beyond, perhaps, some very hard praying and becoming quite superlatively worthy and then dead). (And why, O Eric, does your spellchecker say that aeroplanes is rong?) I would like Mr/Dr/Prof/St/High Pontiff Fid. Def. Stannard to consider whether observation and description are not part of the real world, and to define clearly where observation ends and description begins.
Isn’t it really rather arrogant to write a book called “The End of Discovery: Are We Approaching the Boundaries of the Knowable?” Such a title, if it is not ironic or rhetorical, can only be written by people who assume that they know what constitutes “discovery” (I mean, of course, discoveries) and know where science and all human endeavour are heading. And how can they possibly know? Or are we to believe that where honest enquiry is arrogant, presumption is humble? And please can you turn the spellchecker off!!!
Boghassian’s definition of Faith as “pretending to know what you don’t know” fits in nicely here.
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I don’t find Stannard convincing, but nor do I think that Jerry Coyne’s answer is decisive:
Why is there a universe? Because of M-theory.
Why is there M-theory? Because of Edward Whitten.
Therefore:
Why is there a universe? Because of Edward Whitten.
Something wrong there, surely.
Coyne is confusing the question “Who created M-theory as a theory?” with the question “What explains the fact (if it is a fact) that the actual world conforms to M-theory rather than to some other description?”
But if M-theory is invented precisely to explain the actual world… I mean: Here is the world. Why is the world? Well, because think + think + think = M… You need to be more careful with because, because because might only mean “may I refer you to M-theory, which is the latest thinking on the subject and is considered by many-who-know to work pretty well.”
David Evans. Just passing the computer and had a moment to respond. ‘Because’ is not a transitive relation. So it doesn’t follow that we have M-theory because of Edward Whitten, and M-theory is a plausible, and perhaps non-confirmable theory, for the existence of the universe, therefore the universe exists because of Edward Whitten. One point that Stenger makes in his latest book is that there are a number of self-consistent theories that explain the existence of the universe, which do not imply a beginning. So M-theory, I assume, is one of the possible explanations. The point is that we don’t need to resort to an Aristotelian first cause, even supposing that such a first cause would be a god of the Christian, Jewish or Muslim varieties, which is inevitably making a claim to which there is no satisfactory answer.
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As Dan Dennett points out in Darwin’s Dangerous Idea, “the limits of the knowable” is an inherently tricky proposition to get hold of – one could argue that somewhere in Borges’s Library of Babel will be a volume (or a multi-volume) with a theory of everything written in English. I can see three problems: 1) it could be that in principle there is no theory of everything, so it can’t exist; 2) If it did exist, it’s possible that the language in the volume(s) would be incomprehensible to any living human, or 3) (related to 2, but from a different side) — even if the theory exists in principle and is comprehensible, Earth may just be too small a planet with too few resources to develop the technology required to discover the theory. There’s no way to know a priori if any of these hold, but the God Hypothesis slams the door outright.
GordonWillis #3:
Excellent point. This is a huge part of Quine’s epistemology – all observation is attended by theoretical “baggage.” Similarly, I think Nelson Goodman said something to the effect that “Facts are small theories,” which is to imply that as far as our epistemology is concerned, it’s “theory all the way down” – one never can get to the Ding an sich.
Yes, Another Matt. Every animal operates on the basis of theory. We (worms, lions, humans) make a model of the world, and that model guides how we interact. The relative truth of the model is revealed by whether we live or die, and I find it hard to imagine that this is not a perfectly good indicator of what is in fact the case, however we choose to explain it to ourselves. We revise our model in the light of experience, and for a human being this means discovery, and as long as there is a human being somewhere on the planet there will be no end to discovery. As to the “thing in itself”, perception (even “direct” perception) is not the thing, but we who perceive <things are not the thing either, so “direct” perception (which can only mean being the “thing”) is not possible.
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I often wonder what apologists would do without arguments from ignorance. I doubt that when faced with uncertainty in other aspects of his life Stannard feels the need to go with explanations that have no evidence to back them up. It is wiser to simply acknowledge that you do not know where you left your keys than to go with the idea that a god annihilated them.
More insidious is the notion that when you implore your god to reveal the keys, and the keys are still not forthcoming, you conclude that your god is punishing you for something or testing your faith. In this way, faith is invincible, even when you at last discover that the keys were in your coat pocket all the time. No keys? God help me!…still no keys. Put your coat on…What? Oh, thank God!…
Faith can explain that your forgetting where the keys were is God’s call to repentence. It can also explain that your forgetting where the keys were was an act of negligence and it is sinful to suppose that God had anything to do with your freely willed behaviour. And it can do both of these things at the same time…
Since the creation of the universe cannot yet be replicated, nobody is in a position to say whether the properties of the current universe are contingent or necessary. And even if they are contingent, nobody is in a position to say that different properties may not have produced different forms of life — sentient gas clouds, perhaps, who telepathically discuss the Fine-Tuning Hypothesis over the aeons as they drift aimlessly through the wormholes around the galactic core.
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It wants to claim a dimension of knowledge that lies beyond the humanly knowable, but it has not provided a basis in its theory of knowledge for this dimension.
“It wants to claim a dimension of knowledge that lies beyond the humanly knowable, but it has not provided a basis in its theory of knowledge for this dimension.”
An oriental spiritual teacher would say “to find the way, you have to lose your head”. That is similar to Pascal’s “the heart has reason reason knows nothing”. Both phrases try to explain the limits of the intellect and how what is beyond those limits escape what language is able to communicate. It also means that it is beyond the opposites by which we grasp the world, i.e.: our dual mode of perception accordingly to the oriental traditions.
It is only when you experience non-dual perception that you can see how dual essence of our average mode of perception and therefore, see how language is a dual mode of communication that shapes in return our intellect to think dualistically.
Now, because it deals with the core of consciousness, that has no choice to be subjective. But anyway, there wouldn’t be any objectivity possible if it wasn’t of subjectivity. Not on a dual mode…
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