What shall we do with Julian Baggini?

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[This, I'm afraid, was put together rather rapidly, since I must go out, so it may contain more errors than usual. However, it seemed to me worthwhile trying to say, even if it had to be in haste.]

Julian Baggini has now published his Heathen’s Manifesto, which he begs atheists to read. I wish I could understand the motivation behind it. It seems to be based on the premise that atheists, and new atheists in particular — an unidentified assemblage of nonbelievers who are, it seems, strident, obtuse, impolite, and seek to banish religion from the world  — need to grow up, be sensible and kind, and ally themselves with their allies amongst religious believers, something that, so far, they seem disinclined to do. I sometimes simply despair when I read Baggini, because he never really identifies any of these supposedly rude, self-centred, self-praising atheists, nor does he provide an example of the kind of thing that he seems to object to so much. In order to say that we need a change in attitude, he has to show who is exhibiting the attitude he so much deplores, and the entire series on Heathen’s progress over the last six months or so never identifies any particular person as the kind of unbeliever who needs to change his or her attitude. What Baggini seems to have done is to accept that the strident responses of religious believers to the so-called “new” atheism are unquestionably justified. However, in my own reading on both sides of this divide, I have to say that the most caustic voices, the shrillest and most strident condemnations have come from the religious side of this particular divide, and Baggini has yet to show that this is not so. Indeed, it seems, based on reading every one of his Heathen’s progress series, and commenting on a fair number of them, that Baggini has read very little of what has been written by the new atheists, and practically nothing that has been written in response to them; and this, it seems to me, committed to reason and evidence as he claims to be, is something that he really needs to do, or, should I say?, really needed to do, before he undertook to write the series in the first place.

However, since this is, thankfully, the last in this ill-conceived project, let’s take Baggini’s manifesto and respond as civilly as we can. We will find, I think, that the whole thing is misconceived, and this can be shown without considering all twelve position statements. He suggests, to start with, that the problem is that our culture tends to see things in black and white, and leaves out the “moderate middle,” as Baggini calls it. “There is,” he says, “a perception of unbridgeable polarisation, and a sense that the debates have sunk into a stale impasse.” This, I think, is disingenuous. This is the way the debates began, so far as Baggini is concerned. In fact, so stale did the discussion seem to him from the start that he refused to read the books that he was complaining about, The God Delusion, god is not Great, and others, because, he said at the time, they had nothing new to teach him. How he knew that without having read them is the 64 thousand dollar question, but that is what he said. He seems, given the paucity of reference, in his Heathen’s progress series of articles, to what new atheists have said, to have maintained this moratorium on reading the new atheists.

But what would a moderate middle look like? And is a moderate middle what we should be seeking? Later in the manifesto — No. 10. Religion is often our friend — he says:

We believe in not being tone-deaf to religion and to understand it in the most charitable way possible.

Well, now you see how far off the mark he can get. There’s an article in this morning’s Globe and Mail by Karen Armstrong, the so-called “historian of religion” who does everything she can to understand religion in the most charitable way possible. The article is entitled “Islamophobia: We need to accept the ‘other’.” Armstrong takes it for granted that Islamophobia has reached a new virulent high. But Karen Armstrong, doing her best to understand Islam in the most charitable way possible, simply ignores what many people justly perceive as a threat from radical Islam, and opposition to radical Islam, and the fear that it generates, is also something which needs to be granted the same privilege of being understood charitably.

In a recent article posted by the British National Secular Society, by a Canadian Muslim, it is pointed out that thirty years ago nothing at all was heard from Muslims about Sharia law. Muslims came to the West to enjoy the freedoms that were available to them there, to find freedom of religion or freedom from religion. And yet radical Islam is making strenuous efforts to see Islamic Sharia, which as the author, Raheel Raza, states, while at one time may have been helpful in welding Muslims into a single religious framework, eventually became frozen in time, so that now it is a liability, and should not be considered foundational for Muslims:

But over time sharia was frozen, with no development, reasoning and logic and therefore started to stink – which is what happens when water is left stagnant. Eventually it became what we see today – man made law without ethical and moral boundaries, no regard for human life and specifically anti-women.

Nevertheless, as he Raza points out, there is a movement amongst radical Islamists, to impose this frozen Sharia on the West. It is worth quoting Raza at length:

Where has this politicization and distortion of the message left us? The Center for Islamic Pluralism undertook a study: A guide to Sharia law and Islamist Ideology in Western Europe 2007 – 2009.

According to this study, the core argument of the Islamists pushing radical Sharia and parallel systems of law is that human law as represented by western canons can be superseded by the presumed-divine law embodied in Sharia, and therefore secular law may be avoided or violated at will.

So it’s no surprise that a Muslim group in the United Kingdom has launched a campaign to turn twelve British cities – including “Londonistan” – into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic Sharia law and operate entirely outside British jurisprudence. The Islamic Emirates Project, launched by the Muslims Against the Crusades group, uses the motto “The end of man-made law, and the start of Sharia law,” and was launched exactly six years after Muslim suicide bombers killed 52 people and injured 800 others in London. A July 7, 2011 announcement posted on the Muslims Against the Crusades website, states:

In the last 50 years, the United Kingdom has transformed beyond recognition. What was once a predominantly Christian country has now been overwhelmed by a rising Muslim population, which seeks to preserve its Islamic identity, and protect itself from the satanic values of the tyrannical British government.

And then he goes on to say this:

… the people who wish to impose sharia in the West and are gaining ground for three reasons.

One, because there is a failed attempt to understand the psyche of radical Islamists and uncover their covert methods in blackmailing and coercing immigrants into their way of thinking

Two, there is deafening silence from the majority of moderate Muslims who are sitting quietly on the fence

Three, Western governments have failed because of their mistaken acceptance of dominant religious leaders as the sole legitimate representatives of Islam in the West, while ignoring women and the more moderate liberal voices.

Precisely the same kinds of things are said by Ibn Warraq in his Why the West is Best — a passionate and eloquent defence of the West, its accomplishments and its freedoms. This kind of thing has to be taken seriously, and trying to put the best construction on people’s beliefs, that is, trying to understand them in the most charitable way possible, is no help at all in reducing the threat that radical religious believing poses to our freedoms. Nor is talking about Islamophobia in this context a satisfactory response to the trends in the more radical Muslim community, and the corresponding silence of the moderates. Karen Armstrong has the ridiculous idea that religion is really about love and compassion. It’s not. It’s mainly about power, and until we recognise that religions are on a quest for power and dominance we will fail to deal realistically with the threat that religion poses to the world community.

The same goes for the increasing demands made by the Roman Catholic Church to see its moral understanding of things like abortion, contraception and assisted dying instantiated in law. The attempts that are being made in practically every liberal jurisdiction to harden the legal stand on abortion is the result of lobbying by the Roman Catholic Church and its legion of supposedly pro-life organisations. To allow the Roman Catholic Church to have its way on this would be to set women’s liberation back two thousand years. And the Roman Catholic Church is not alone in this. Islam is just as opposed to abortion and contraception as the Roman Catholic Church, and the two have supported each other in efforts by the UN to extend reproductive care to the poorest of the poor women in the world who are caught on the revolving door of pregnancy and birth, at the same time that the population of the world is ramping up to completely untenable numbers, if we are going to preserve a bit of the earth and its resources for coming generations. This is not something upon which to seek common ground.

Religious organisations like the Roman Catholic Church and fundamentalist Christianity, Islam and other conservative religious movements, which is where most of the world’s religious energy is concentrated today, are not moderate, but extremist, and trying to find charitable understandings of their positions is a recipe for disaster. Voices of reason need to be heard, and they will not be heard if we join our voices to liberal religious voices: there are too few of them, and they are outliers in their own religions. Liberal Christians are marginalised, and the fundamentalists have stolen a march on them practically everywhere. This does not mean that we cannot find common cause with them, but they must recognise how far they are from the core of the religious traditions of which they consider themselves to be parts. If they do not recongise this, then support for them is also support for regressive beliefs and practices with which no reasonable person should be associated.

To show how unrealistic Baggini’s conception of religion really is, consider the 11th plank in his Manifesto:

11 We are critical of religion when necessary

Our willingness to accept what is good in religion is balanced by an equally honest commitment to be critical of it when necessary. We object when religion invokes mystery to avoid difficult questions or to obfuscate when clarity is needed. We do not like the way in which “people of faith” tend to huddle together in an unprincipled coalition of self-interest, even when that means liberals getting into bed with homophobes and misogynists.

This completely misunderstands religion. One of the problems with liberal religion is that it fails to recognise religions as institutions whose aim is power and control.  Instead, they do, in fact, try to put the most charitable construction on religious belief, and think of it in terms of peace, love, compassion and concern for social justice. These things are, indeed, the concern of some religious people, and much good is done by those who rate these concerns as central to their faith. But religious institutions, as such, are not about this at all. They, like businesses, are in search of power and dominance. That’s one of the reasons that religions tend to think of other believers as not only wrong, but condemned by God. The concept of god is used as a social counter in the quest for power, and until we recognise this, we will fail to understand religious institutions, and their dynamic.

This does not mean that all religious thought is pointless. There are profound and humane thinkers who are also theologians, and who think deeply and pertinently about the human condition and how it can be understood, and how humanity can be best served. There is no doubt that Baggini is right that atheists should not to dismiss everything associated with religion too hastily or too completely. This is a form of blindness that the new atheists could do without. Yes, theology is made up stuff, just as made up as much of Freud, but that does not mean that theologians, or Freud, have nothing of value to say about the human condition, and it is important for us to bear this in mind. At least some theology and psychoanalysis might be likened to the prose poetry of the human spirit, trying to put into words things that stand at the limits of language.

But religious thought is completely different to religious institutions and the question for social power and dominance that characterises them. It is at this level that what Baggini has to say seems woefully inadequate, and, indeed, naive. Baggini, it seems to me, having read his Heathen’s progress series of articles as they appeared, simply does not know enough about religion to speak of it as he does. He needs a closer familiarity, not only with some of the good things that liberals like Richard Holloway or Don Cupitt are saying, but with the history of the religions, and how they have functioned as the world’s power brokers, sometimes to human benefit, but very often for human ill. Much more needs to be said than Baggini ventures in this series. It was, I think, wrong-headed from the beginning, because he misunderstood and still misunderstands the sources of the new atheism and its concerns, and does not deal adequately with it, or with the religious response to it. First, he should read the new atheists books, and enter into some kind of dialogue with them, instead of persisting in his first impression, that they have nothing to teach him that he does not already know.

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18 thoughts on “What shall we do with Julian Baggini?

  1. I think the most likely answer to the question “what to do” about Julian is: benign neglect.

    He’s completely irrelevant. The religious don’t agree with him, the atheists think he’s just plain nuts. Even his straw people seem to have abandoned him.

    We do not need new commandments, whether or not you term them Position Statements.

  2. First, he should read the new atheists books, and enter into some kind of dialogue with them, instead of persisting in his first impression, that they have nothing to teach him that he does not already know.

    I dislike the thought intensely, but I have to say it. His assumption that he knows it all already and his refusal to consider new atheism honestly along with his constant harping on the same old theme of our need to be nicer to the religious, sound like bigotry. He seems to be losing his ability to think critically.

  3. I already had my jaw dropped at point one. Apparently he’s given up on reclaiming “atheist”. What makes him think he will have any better luck reclaiming “heathen”? In addition if heathens are – according to him – naturalists, why not just stick to “naturalists”?

  4. As the political commentator Jim Hightower said, “There’s nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.” Religion and secular society are on a one-way street, but moving in opposite directions – religion wanting to back up or turn around against traffic returning the missed exit where it was in power. It keeps thinking it can drag society back, but the flow is overwhelmingly moving forward. Women and minorities are not going back and despite what someone like Philip Clayton might put forward in Sunday’s LA Times the church will reluctantly, if ever, go with traffic.

  5. To refuse to read a book because you arrogantly declare that it has nothing to teach you seems perverse. Without reading it how would you know?

    Speaking for myself I do not want religion banned, I only concern myself with it when it adversely affects me, which in the UK at the present time is far too often. As I see it, the best way to reduce the influence of religion is to point out loudly and often that it is infantile nonsense that does not rest on a shred of credible evidence. This appears to be the thing that the Gnu Atheists are getting the most criticism for. Rather than calling us shrill and strident, surely theists would do better presenting the credible evidence that we claim doesn’t exist. Wouldn’t that shut us up once and for all?

  6. Baggini’s project was like a coach trip around the M25 (a motorway that circles London), it was a trip to nowhere that would only end up back at the beginning.

    It seems Baggini’s journey was really about him trying to understand both religious fundamentalism and new atheism, in order to find common ground. If he had understood new atheism and fundamentalism fully, he would have realized long ago that there is no common ground. And rather than grow and learn about the reasons for the conflicts, he has stubbornly persisted from day one with his foolish moderate agenda, and the result is his misguided heathen’s manifesto.

    The first part of the Manifesto is more or less new atheism with the label ‘heathen’ attached, while the second part is accommodationism along for the ride, acting as a manager or censor on the first part, making sure no one steps out of line and says anything offensive or strident.

    I’m pretty sure Baggini is an intelligent man, and I will continue to read him, mainly because it’s a fascinating glimpse into the mind of a moderate. Just when you think he has grasped your rational and moral view on life, he’s off to the other side and praying in the most appalling and appeasing way. I call that a form of insanity, and insanity always fascinates me.

  7. Science (broadly conceived) isn’t the only way of acquiring true beliefs–since one could acquire them on a hunch or from a dream–, but it is the only way of gaining knowledge, since it is the only way of justifying beliefs. He gives the example of history as something other than science that leads to knowledge, but history uses the same processes of evidence-based reasoning as the rest of science. History (when it’s done well), philosophy (when it’s done well), and other disciplines that aim at knowledge are continuous with science. Science need not be experimental. Epidemiology and most of the social sciences are observational, just as history is.

    “Scientism” isn’t generally used for the claim that science is the only source of knowledge, however. It’s used for the absurdly false claim that science is the only worthwhile activity. There are plenty of activities, such as fiction, art appreciation, gardening, hiking, parenting, sex, etc… that are not aimed at knowledge. To say that science is the only source of knowledge does nothing to disparage those activities. The religious accuse us of scientism because they want to saddle us with the latter absurd claim, when we object to the epistemological status of religious claims.

  8. On the quote from Raheel Raza, it’s worth pointing out that ‘Muslims Against Crusades’ was just the latest website and group formed by Anjem Choudary (whom he mentions later, but doesn’t make it clear that MAC was his creation). Choudary is ‘well known’ because he’s good at getting publicity. His followers, as far as anyone can tell, are mainly his immediate family, and a few dozen people willing to turn up to demonstrations aimed at annoying. MAC was banned before Raza wrote that article – see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15678275 . Its ‘campaign’ was basically its website.
    It may have had a ‘project’, but it’s of no more meaning than the ‘projects’ of white supremacist militia groups in the US (except Choudary is, thankfully, unarmed).

  9. I suspect the motive underlying these articles and other accommodationist fluff like them is simply financial. Journals like the Guardian are discovering that their traditional approach of extending deference and respect to religious nonsense is driving away potential readers, and hence potential customers for their advertisers. But if they throw in their lot with the Gnus, they alienate the dwindling, but still substantial, rump of traditional believers.

    So all this can be seen as a marketing experiment: how can we retain our theist readers without looking like total wankers in front of the large, growing and vocal minority who realise it’s all nonsense?

    And the answer, I hope, will turn out to be: “You can’t.”

  10. Deen:

    “In addition if heathens are – according to him – naturalists, why not just stick to ‘naturalists’?”

    Yes, that’s my main objection to the manifesto, which otherwise I think is very good. Among other things, I like the disavowal of scientism, the call for compassion and kindness, the self-critical acknowledgement of fallibility, the commitment to empiricism and science as the most reliable route to knowledge, naming naturalism as the worldview, and pointing out that naturalists can be religious. There isn’t any compromise with or accommodation to theistic religion epistemically or metaphysically, only socially, which is simply being realistic. But those who focus strictly on the evils of organized supernaturalism, as opposed to articulating a positive naturalism, will of course reject the manifesto as missing the main point.

    A more extensive articulation is “Systematizing naturalism” at http://www.naturalism.org/systematizing_naturalism.htm

  11. I prefer the term freethinker to either heathen or naturalist. We’ve argued before how naturalism is limited to the category of the material world, and how trying to impose naturalism into other categories such as–the mind, or social life, or art, or the conceptual world, turns to a dogmatic kind of scientism.

    Freethinker combines two of my passions–reason and liberty. It’s fully compatible with naturalism or scientific scepticism, but also applies within all other categories.

    Dawkins wants us to follow Sean Faircloth’s ten point vision of secularism as a manifesto, but I don’t think a personal vision is the same as a manifesto. However much I support Faircloth’s excellent vision for a coalition, It’s not theoretical or philosophically robust.

  12. Eggbert:

    “We’ve argued before how naturalism is limited to the category of the material world, and how trying to impose naturalism into other categories such as–the mind, or social life, or art, or the conceptual world, turns to a dogmatic kind of scientism.”

    I don’t think naturalism is wedded to materialism, only to empiricism, logic and reason, e.g., there are dualist naturalists like David Chalmers who suppose that there may exist categorically mental particulars. And there are naturalistic views of mind, social life, the arts and concepts that aren’t scientistic but simply discount the need to posit anything supernatural in accounting for them, appreciating them, or using them.

    http://www.naturalism.org/systematizing_naturalism.htm#existence
    http://www.naturalism.org/landscape.htm#scientism
    http://www.naturalism.org/scientism.htm

  13. Tom Clark :
    Among other things, I like the disavowal of scientism

    I don’t. It just doesn’t impress me much if someone disavows something that practically nobody actually practices or supports. He might has well have disavowed eating babies.

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  15. Deen :

    Tom Clark :
    Among other things, I like the disavowal of scientism

    I don’t. It just doesn’t impress me much if someone disavows something that practically nobody actually practices or supports. He might has well have disavowed eating babies.

    Deen, have you seen Alex Rosenberg’s The Atheist’s Guide to Reality? I don’t know how many people agree with his hyper-reductive scientism (few I hope), but for those people rebuttals of his and similar positions are indeed necessary. See my reply to Rosenberg at http://centerfornaturalism.blogspot.com/2009/11/is-naturalism-nihilistic.html and Philip Kitcher’s at http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/alex-rosenbergs-the-atheists-guide-to-reality.html

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