Elaine Ecklund’s Militant Campaign
I haven’t said much about Elaine Ecklund, the Templeton funded “researcher” who tries to show in a paper and a book and in interviews and online snippets and tidbits that science and religion are not so opposed to one another amongst scientists at elite US universities as the public has been led to suppose. Indeed, in her latest sally into the battle she brings up her reserve, supposing to deal atheists who oppose the accommodation of science and religion a knock-out blow. The schwerpunkt of the attack is directed towards atheists with children who go to church and sit alongside religious believers. One thing that should be noticed about Ecklund’s strategy is that, while she keeps bringing her reserves into the fight, the original data set (more about that in a moment) that she is working with consists in 275 interviews with “elite scientists” taken in 2007. That’s a full four years ago, and she’s still bringing “new” insights to bear even now, four years later, based on the original dataset! Templeton certainly got its money’s worth out of Elaine Ecklund, but did Ecklund contribute anything genuine to the issue of the relationship between science and religion? This we have cause to doubt.
As the blogger Sigmund says, in a post guested by Jerry Coyne over at the website “Why Evolution is True“:
… Ecklund has continued to hammer on at her dataset, determined to prove that it is not quite the mortal blow to science-religion compatibility that her own figures suggest. One cannot, however, fault her for sheer determination, or indeed imagination, in how she tackled this dilemma. After deciding that belief in God is not a critical point, nor indeed is adherence to traditional religious practice, Ecklund recently settled on the idea that it is the question of “spirituality” that proves the compatibility of science and religion.
As Sigmund points out, very clearly, even Ecklund’s dataset does not support her conclusions, and if you factor in the fact that Ecklund chooses to talk about spirituality rather than about religion as such, it is unclear just what conclusions can be said to be supported by the evidence she provides.
To take one example, consider the following understanding of ‘spirituality’ that Jason Rosenhouse found lying so innocently in Ecklund’s data. Here a political scientist explains his understanding of spirituality:
I spend a lot of time in my course preparations. I could spend a lot less time and invest more time in my own writing and publications. But I feel an obligation to be responsive to students who are struggling … My part of making the world better is helping those individuals succeed. And so I’m not able to cut myself off from my interactions with those students on a one-to-one basis. I feel a certain kind of spiritual obligation to help in the best way that I can, which in that sense is teaching them, trying to figure out how to reach them so that they understand. [I do this] in ways that I know some of my other colleagues don’t.
It’s funny how people use language. This person, a political scientist, describes his desire to help his struggling students as the manifestation of a spiritual impulse. Personally, I call it doing my job.
As would any sane person, but Ecklund thinks that it bespeaks the person’s spirituality, and therefore closes the supposed gap between science and religion. That really is grasping at straws.
But, as Rosenhouse points out in a second post, after he had the chance to read Ecklund’s book, it gets worse than this. From the following statistics:
34% chose “I don’t believe in God,” while 30% chose, “I do not know if there is a God, and there is no way to find out.” … An additional 8% opted for, “I believe in a higher power, but it is not God.” … 9% of scientists (compared to 63% of the public), who chose, “I have no doubts about God’s existence.” … An additional 14% of scientists chose, “I have some doubts, but I believe in God.” … the final option was “I believe in God sometimes.” That was chosen by 5% of scientists …
Ecklund comes to this conclusion:
As we journey from the personal to the public religious lives of scientists, we will meet the nearly 50 percent of elite scientists like Margaret who are religious in a traditional sense…. (p. 6)
As Sigmund says, “… a scientist who reads this series of papers can only despair at what passes for peer review in the field of sociology.”
But now she is on a completely new kick. We are told, in an article at physorg.com, that “Some atheist scientists with children embrace religious traditions”:
The researchers found that 17 percent of atheists with children attended a religious service more than once in the past year.
Now, if she’s still using the original dataset — and the article in question gives us no reason to suppose that Ecklund has done any new research — this information (if information it is, which we may doubt) is already four, going on five years old. And, while the title of the article may not be down to Ecklund herself, it is consistent with other misleading claims that she makes. Embracing a religious tradition is more than just going to church or attending a religious service. Embracing a religious tradition includes accepting, adopting, agreeing with, sharing, and no doubt other ways of assimilating to a religious tradition.
But this is not what Ecklund herself says. She gives several reasons for atheist scientists attending more than one religious service — notice how this claim itself is misleading — amongst them being spousal influence, the urge to expose their children to “all sources of knowledge (including religion)” (which covers a multitude of sins), and desire for community. In many places social community is monopolised by religious entities. But not one of these reasons shows a willingness to embrace religious traditions. Indeed, as Rosenhouse points out (in the post written after having read the book), scientists who do consider themselves religious tend to find themselves at the liberal end of the scale. In Ecklund’s own words:
…along a continuum of religion from liberal to conservative, a seven-point scale on which 1 represents extremely liberal religious beliefs and 7 represents extremely conservative, most of the scientists I interviewed saw themselves as measuring around 2. This means that when they are religious, scientists tend to see themselves as religious liberals.
And religious liberalism, notoriously, is definitely not a matter of embracing a religious tradition, but choosing from amongst religious options those that are least traditional and more a matter of personal choice.
In the video attached to the physorg.com article, Ecklund explains her “findings”:
According to YouTube this was uploaded by Rice University four days ago, and Ecklund is still talking about a piece of research which she “recently” did. But notice also the background, showing someone meekly kneeling with hands pressed together in prayer. While I have not read the book, it seems to me that using a church as a setting for this clip, as well as showing figures at prayer in the background, is deliberately misleading, especially in light of the kinds of reasons that scientists give for attending religious services “more than once” in a year. Ecklund, as I suggest in the title of this post, is carrying on a very deliberate campaign which, given the paucity of evidence, is structured in such a way as to be in many ways like a military operation, keeping forces in reserve, never letting the “enemy” know what you are going to do next, camouflaging every movement that you make, etc. This strikes me to be deeply dishonest and misleading in a context where findings are supposed to be available to all, so that reasonable assessments can be made by others as to the reliability of the claims that are made on the basis of them. Ecklund is acting in every way like a religious believer and not like a scientist, and is living proof, if that were needed, that science and religion do not mix, and are strictly incompatible.

So atheists are open and tolerant people, interested in participating in a variety of social and community experiences without necessarily compromising on their own core beliefs- so what’s new? I am at the atheist end of agnosticism and am in and out of churches quite a lot of the time. As someone who writes histories of Christianity from a secular perspective, I need to know about what’s going on anyway. We just need to work on it being the other way round as well- that might be a bit harder!
Congratulations, Eric, on your first anniversary!
Interestingly, James Hannam had a post up over the summer on the issue of defining religion as “practice” vs. “belief.” He discusses how many sociologists define religion as “practice” because “practice” is much easier to measure than is “belief.” He doesn’t think this is an adequate measure of religion and is a ploy to define the conflict between science and religion out of existence.
Here is his conclusion:
This does seem to be the issue; one must take how the majority of religious adherents understand their religion at face value and not the take of liberal theologians.
‘But science and religion do interact at the level of what they both have to say about reality.’
Do they? Is the Virgin Birth a ‘reality’ and how could this interact with scientific claims about the mechanism of conception and birth? It seems they are different and independent orders of ”reality’, if ‘reality’ is the right word to use at all of the Virgin Birth.
P.S. I wish people would not use ‘Religion and Science’ when they only mean Christianity and Science.One could argue also that the debates should be in terms of Metaphysics and Science because discussions of the relationship of science and ‘the ultimate questions’ should go way beyond the rather parochial world of the Christian theologian.
Thank you Charles (for the congrats). Better you than me, I think, about attending religious services. I understand why you must know what is going on, but really, I’ve had about my fill of church services for now. And yes, as you point out, this is about Christianity, not about religion as such. Ask one of the Religion and science brigade about Islam and religion or Hinduism and religion of Jainism and religion and you’d get blank stares. They want to show that, because compatible with science in a special way, Christianity is entitled to claim scientific support for religious belief, and this is simply nonsense, but it is, I think, what is being claimed.
There is simply no interaction between what religion and science say about reality. This is classic diversionary tactic. What is real about the claims that religious people make about reality — aside from the fact that people have subjective experiences which they try to tie down to religious doctrines? There is not one claim about reality as we know it; we are simply supposed to think that since religions claim to be about reality they really are. If they are about reality, then all religions should be able, not only to be compatible with each other, but actually able to be brought together and unified. It is simply stupid, from my point of view, to continue talking about religion and reality when you are faced with hosts of conflicting religions, and even within religions of conflicting sects. Reality should be able to be described in a common language.
As for the point you make in the quote from Hannam, Michael, this seems perfectly clear to most of us, except to those, like McGrath or Haught who want to disappear into the shadowy world of religious practice or experience and distance themselves from anything that can be called believing or beliefs. Strange, you know, that McGrath should have written an Into to Christian (really evangelical Christian) theology, and it’s all about belief, quite dogmatic belief when you come right down to it. But it’s always convenient to have a hermitage or two to disappear into when questions of belief are being raised, trailing clouds of glory behind them as they do.
Charles, that does seem to be a throw-away line by Hannam. I thought Hannam’s comments were interesting because he has been on the “no conflict” side in the past. Ecklund and others have been trying to use “practice” as a substitute for belief and a religious believer like Hannam sees right through the ploy. As Eric points out, Ecklund is really grasping at straws if she equates going to religious services twice in one year with belief.
Charles, of course they interact, not on the level of the claim itself but, rather, on the method of inquiry by which the claim is made.
We know we can’t place any trust in the method if inquiry for faith-based claims (I believe something may be true because I believe it may be possible if certain parts of reality are suspended). After all, over 80% of us believe we are above average drivers! This cannot be possible in reality regardless of how much we might believe otherwise.
We know we can place a great deal of trust in the method of inquiry for evidence-based claims. One hundred percent of people who and objects that exit by my third story window fall to the ground. This is demonstrably and consistently accurate enough to be considered true as a dependable description of reality.
Faith-based claims offer an incompatible method of inquiry to evidence-based claims; the former does not respect reality but allows faith to be the arbiter of what’s true about it (ie your example of the Virgin Birth as if it were reasonably possible based solely on belief), whereas the later allows reality to be arbitrator of what’s true about it (all successful human pregnancies so far require a fertilized egg). Which method respects reality’s say in this matter?
By granting some measure of respect to faith claims means suspending respect of what reality tells us is true about it. That’s why faith-based claims do interact at the level of what both have to say about reality and that’s why the two methods of inquiry are incompatible from the get go.
Tildeb; helium balloon, therefor God? NOOOOOOO!
Sorry, I shouldn’t give Ecklund any ideas.
The irony of the Ecklund situation is that after her initial 2007 paper in the journal ‘Social Problems’ she has tried to go back to the original data set again and again and use it as the basis to attack Edward Larson and Larry Witham’s study (the one that showed that only 7% of the members of the National Academy of Science had a belief in a personal God.)
The problem for Ecklund is that her 2007 data, far from causing problems for Larson and Witham, shows a remarkably similar trend (and is therefore highly embarrassing to her funders, the Templeton Foundation.)
In fact I would go so far as to say that her original paper is a must read for those interested in science and religion. The details contained within the 2007 paper are arguably far more damning for religion than Larson and Witham’s more limited study.
All the follow up papers are waffle but don’t make the mistake to ignore the original study.
It wasn’t easy to get my hands on the original paper – I got my copy emailed from Matt (framer) Nisbet after questioning a point he was making on his old scienceblogs site (Nisbet was presenting the results with Ecklund’s pro religion spin and I asked whether the actual data backed up that interpretation – it really didn’t!)
Well could you now please email it to all of us, Sigmund? Thank you.
I also have copies of the 2007 Social Problems paper and the 2008 Social Forces paper which has many data tables. I think Eric and Ophelia should have my email.
I’ve emailed it to you Ophelia.
If anyone else wants it just send me a request to:
cancercentrum ( at ) gmail.com
and I’ll send it to you.