Since Mark Jones linked Julian Baggini’s latest article in the new heathenism series, aptly titled “What is this foolish lust for uncertainty,” I wanted to add this post, but since I was away all day yesterday, it had to wait until now. Baggini points out that a lot of people, in a phrase borrowed by Mark Vernon from John Habgood (onetime Archbishop of York), are critical of the “lust for certainty” possessed by both believers and unbelievers, and then Baggini goes him one better, and criticises instead the “lust for uncertainty” that seems to characterise so many who are reluctant to stand by conclusions reasonably arrived at or statements justly believed to be true.
Of course, lest he should fail in his ongoing mission to discomfit the new atheists, Baggini couldn’t help but throw in the following (just to show that he hasn’t lost any of his original animus towards unbelievers who have become uncomfortably assertive about their disbelief):
Vernon’s advocacy of passionate agnosticism offers soothing camomile tea to those jittery after the triple espressos of the new atheists and religious fundamentalists.
Again suggesting, as it does, that the new atheists belong to an extremist fringe occupied, at the other extreme, by religious fundamentalists, leaves the new atheist (if s/he wants to claim that dignity) marginalised and discredited. But, surely, Baggini himself would be hard-pressed to find a new atheist who is all assertion and no qualification; it’s just handy to have an intellectual dumpster around so that you can feel pretty secure yourself from the justified criticism of others, as you disavow, virtuously, the extremes that you want to contrast with your own sweet reason.
Added later: I wrote this, and then visited Butterflies and Wheels, and Ophelia has already addressed herself to Baggini’s ever so careful way of hedging his bets. Ophelia’s peroration deserves to be quoted in full (but go over to B&W and read the whole thing):
Ok, I get it. Moderates have firm beliefs and we new atheists are extreme dogmatists. It’s one of those irregular verbs. You’re stubborn; I have a firm will. You’re bad-tempered; I’m passionate. You’re dogmatic, I have firm beliefs. You get the idea.
Get the idea? New atheists belong in the dumpster, where all the stubborn, bad-tempered, dogmatic “new atheists” belong. Well, Baggini has to keep his membership in the moderate camp safe — but that is not, notice, to class himself with the vascilating Vernon, who is a vermin of a different sort altogether from the intransigent extremists, whether new atheist or religious fundamentalist.
Nevertheless, Baggini’s point is a good one. There does seem to be a hesitancy amongst a lot of people to put things as boldy and clearly as their belief warrants. As Baggini points out, Vernon thinks that “[w]e live in an age intolerant of doubt.” The “promise of uncertainty,” says Vernon, in a Guardian piece earlier this year, is that, whether in “science or religion, only by embracing doubt can we learn and grow.” And, of course, in one sense this is true, although it has never been clear to me where religious doubt gets one. It is a common trope that religious belief is characterised by large doses of doubt and question. As I have mentioned before on this blog I have a book somewhere about — though probably stored away in a box in the garage by now, safely out of reach – entitled The Faith to Doubt. The idea of using this trope is to pull the fangs of the unbeliever’s argument by pointing out that religious belief is not all intransigent certainty, but includes an essential element of doubt as well.
However, what doubt is doing in the context of religious belief is toto caelo different from what it is doing in science. Of course, religious people doubt. When you have no evidence, and no obvious foundation for your beliefs, the act of doubting should come pretty easily! But religious doubt does not force you to look for evidence; what religious doubt forces you to do is to reaffirm your faith that much more firmly and confidently in the face of that doubt. Doubt is, in fact, a moment in the process called faith. Faith is not a singular state of mind, but a state which goes through many vicissitudes, from doubt about God’s existence or goodness, to doubt about the more arcane facts and features with which the narrative of faith is liberally sprinkled. We’re told that Mother Theresa (of rather ill fame, in my book) wrote to her “father confessor” that she had no sense of faith at all, and could not find comfort in the sense of a presence, that is, the presence of God, as she lived out her life of faith. By any reasonable account, this should have made her an unbeliever. But this is not what the person of faith takes from the story. It is the maintenance of faith — even if one only goes through the external routine gestures of faith which seem otherwise empty of emotional content or intellectual conviction — that is the victory of faith. Faith goes through what John of the Cross called “the dark night of the soul,” when all the comfort, trust and conviction of faith retreats, and life seems barren and hopeless, and yet, by maintaining the external practices of faith one is, even in these moments of deepest doubt and question, still a person of faith, indeed, for this very reason, because it is faith held in the teeth of storms of doubtfulness, a person of very great faith. So it should surprise no one if at some point in the future, the very near future, perhaps, Mother Theresa (as she called herself, instead of using her Albanian name Agnes Bojaxhiu) should be canonised, and denominated a saint of the church. For remaining faithful, even in the face of great doubt, and possibly even in the face of the complete absence of real belief and confidence in the truth of faith, is to have, in the religious lexicon, the greatest faith.
But when Vernon speaks of uncertainty and doubt, this is not what he has in mind. Again, as with Regina Schwartz, whose article “Secularism, Belief, and Truth” I commented on in my last post, Vernon wants us to think that there is a kind of commonality between religious belief and scientific belief. He wants, as Schwartz unquestionably did, to think of these kinds of beliefs as all on a level, and such as to be always held with less than firm confidence. Indeed, the suggestion is, that all belief must, in the nature of the case, be held with modest uncertainty, knowing that all belief, as scientists have reason to know, is subject to doubt, question, reassessment and, eventually, perhaps, to radical change. And since scientific beliefs can change, and as such should therefore be held with appropriately tentative conviction, we should, it seems, recognise that scientific beliefs are far more like religious beliefs than the over-confident scientific atheists are prepared to acknowledge.
It is perhaps worthwhile to quote Vernon at length here. In his article “Uncertainty’s Promise“, explaining the role of uncertainty in science and religion, he says this:
My old physic[s] tutor, Carlos Frenk, is an excellent case in point. He is one of the world’s leading researchers on dark matter – as is advertised by a large poster that hangs outside his office. It is inscribed with five bold words: “Dark Matter – Does It Exist?” To put it another way, Professor Frenk has forged a career out of navigating the terra incognita of the cosmos. He believes there is dark matter. It makes sense of the way visible matter in the universe hangs together. But there are no guarantees. Moreover, that’s a fact that his peers ache to exploit. They seek to falsify his thesis, a negative process by which they hope to prove him wrong. That’s what you have to live with when your expertise is on what’s uncertain. And yet, Professor Frenk remains persistently sanguine. Falsity is the only certainty in science, he tells me. Science is organised doubt. It’s only when scientists can no longer say no to a thesis that it stands.
In religion, the parallel is called the via negativa, or negative way. It is as essential to theology as falsifiability is to science because of the nature of theology’s subject matter: God. We can’t understand God, observe theologians like Thomas Aquinas. And the false gods we cling to must be exposed; the idols we erect must be smashed. It’s another negative process, known in religion as entering the “cloud of unknowing”. But finally, when an individual can no longer say no to the true God, they find what is known as faith.
There are differences between the two, of course. Science seeks evidence to make its knowledge stand. Religion must rely more on the fullness of human experience: evidence can’t take you very far because the divine is darker even than dark matter.
I apologise for quoting at such length, but it is important that we see the trick that he is playing on us. And it is a trick (which is why I gave up reading Vernon with any seriousness long ago). Notice the difference between science and religion: “Science seeks evidence to make its knowledge stand. Religion must rely more on the fullness of the human experience.” ‘Fullness of human experience’ is fuzzy. What does it mean? Who possesses this fulness? How could we ever know? Just because someone like Alan Lightman had a encounter with an osprey which left him in tears? Is this an expression of the fulness of human experience?
It was a look of connectedness, of mutual respect, of recognition that we shared the same land. After they were gone, I found that I was shaking, and in tears.
Lightman, it seems to me, tries deliberately to obfuscate matters, so that we are left without firm ground on which to stand, and he does it for the same reason that Vernon and Schwartz talk in fuzzy ways about supposed religious “knowledge”. But there’s an important difference that these addled minds don’t want to acknowledge. We can know when empirical evidence shows us that what physicists call dark matter is there. There is something there. It is there as a function within the the mathematical calculations which are confirmed by the evidence, whatever dark matter turns out to be. It may remain mysterious, but it will still play a role in our account of the world. Later scientists may be able to give more full-bodied meaning to what scientists now call dark matter, but this will not diminish the truth of what scientists now say about it. But the religious experience — it that is what it was? — of Lightman’s “look of connectedness, of mutual respect,” and of sharing the same land: this is all something very different, and it is really hard to say that this was, as Lightman wants us to think, something helpfully called knowledge. That privileged and profound sense of relatedness to the world of life, indeed, even to the cosmos itself, is not an uncommon, and can certainly be a profoundly moving, experience. But why would anyone want to confuse that experience with, and play it off against, the more critical knowledge of that same world that we come to know in scientific terms? Why should this enter into a discussion of the relationship between science and religion?
This was one of the problems with Thomas’ Kuhn’s idea of paradigm change in science — and here, I am afraid, I tread in territory which is largely unfamiliar to me, those places which were marked off on ancient maps with the words ‘There be dragons here’ — though of course the ready way in which religious thinkers adopted the language of “paradigm change” should have been an indication that there was something inherently problematic about it from the start. However, as I understand it, there is some doubt that paradigm change of the kind Kuhn had in mind actually does take place in science. Kuhn seemed more preoccupied with the conservatism of the scientific consensus than with the actual way in which new information was assimilated to existing paradigms. Einstein did not show that Newton’s calculations were wrong, and in fact Newton’s calculations and laws of motion, I understand, still do for the kinds of physics that earthbound physicists and engineers use every day. What Einstein’s theory of relativity does, as I understand it, is to offer much more accurate predictions than Newton’s, and that quantum mechanics, and even more advanced findings of particle physics takes Einstein a step further along in understanding the structure of the physical universe, and that the transition from one to another is not so much a process of adopting successive Gestalts or paradigms as it is of reconfiguring what is known by means of the assimilation of new and more refined theories which include newly imagined and discovered features of what had been, in earlier theories, only dimly seen, if seen at all. But there is not a totally new theory or paradigm, but one in which Newton’s can be taken as a first approximation. (But here, as I say, I speak from ignorance.)
But my point is not to give an accurate account of contemporary physics and cosmology; my only purpose here is to expose Vernon’s trick. He wants to level religious and scientific belief, so that we are always doomed to express ourselves in beliefs which are subject to qualification, question and doubt. But the kinds of qualification are very different, and the questions and the doubts play very different roles in science and religion, and trying to level them in the way that Vernon does is, in my view, simple prevarication, and he should know better. The idea is to lull the religious into a kind of false confidence in the processes of what might be called “coming to know” in religion. But the confidence is utterly misplaced, because the “coming to know” is only the flip side of doubt, not a confirmation of something doubted. The scientist makes predictions, and when the equations come out wrong, then there is no reason to believe what the equations claim to be true. The religious believer does not make predictions. What the religious believer does is to go through a process of doubting which is in a sense inevitable for anyone with even a modicum of integrity, because there is simply no evidence upon which to base confident belief, and returning to faith after going through the process of religious doubt is not a process of confirming anything, but is still making a leap of faith, because all the believer can do is to “rely more on the fullness of human experience” — as Vernon so helpfully but confusingly puts it — than on any evidence actually encountered. The fullness is only a subjective confidence that one has arrived at something that is genuinely fuller, something like Lightman’s moment of recognition in his encounter with the osprey. But what on earth can fulness of human experience mean? Vernon goes on to say that in religion “evidence can’t take you very far because the divine is darker even than dark matter,” but that is simply to acknowledge failure, not to ground faith.
So we come back to Baggini. Certainly, there is room to doubt, but we should not doubt, simply because we are afraid to say something that questions the certainties of others. Baggini suggests that there is a dangerous “dogmatophobia” at work here, “the liberal fear of being judgmental of the beliefs of others.” So we are afraid to say, what is true, that religious ways of killing animals, to use Baggini’s example, is unnecessarily cruel and should be prohibited. If Muslims and Jews think it is necessary to kill animals while they are still conscious by slitting their throats, then they must either eat meat that is haram (or its Jewish equivalent) or become vegetarians. The religious idiocy that demands cruelty has to learn to retreat before the moral imperative to cause as little suffering as possible. In precisely the same way, the old Christian prohibition of suicide, which underlies religious opposition to assisted dying, will have to give way in the face of the much more important principle of the freedom of the individual to choose the manner and time of one’s own death. Religious rules regarding women and purity, women and dress, and women and their role in the religious community: all these must simply change in response to the requirement that all people be treated equally.
As Baggini justly says:
… there is no choice that has to be made between [the extremes of] certainty and uncertainty. Rather, certainty is a matter of degree. It may be that nothing is certain, but not everything is equally uncertain. It is not certain that global warming is both real and anthropogenic, but that does not mean that those who advocate action on the belief that it is have fallen victim to a lust for certainty. The mistaken ones are those who make too much of this uncertainty and use it as a reason for inaction.
Beliefs also are of very different kinds. Scientific findings are in one category of belief, and can be held with much greater assurance of their truth than the multiply different beliefs of the religions, all of which cannot possibly be true. As Baggini says so well:
The mark of a mature, psychologically healthy mind is indeed the ability to live with uncertainty and ambiguity, but only as much as there really is. Uncertainty is no virtue when the facts are clear, and ambiguity is mere obfuscation when more precise terms are applicable. [my italics]
And a society based on the idea, as Regina Schwartz would have it, that all beliefs are equally uncertain, and that all beliefs must be allowed to play a role in the way that our societies are organised, is a recipe for disaster.
Take one belief as a closing example. There is a cultural belief, which is deeply rooted within the hermeneutic tradition of Islam, that women are second class citizens — supposing that Islam recognises the idea of citizenship for women at all – and that they should conceal their faces and their bodies from men who are unrelated to them by family or marriage. This is one of the practices that Muslims have been permitted to import into societies which are firmly based on the ideal of the equality of men and women. This means that women from societies largely governed my Islamic principles, when they come to, say, Canada, or the US, or Britain, who may come to these societies where equality is valued, precisely because equality is so valued, may end up being as bound by the values they sought to escape, as they were in their society of origin. Women in Tunisia, who have been living and working and dressing as they chose, are now afraid that the “moderate” Islamist party that won in the recent elections will be under strong pressure to restrict women to the home, and to other restrictive Islamic practices regarding dress and relationship. If this happens we in the West will lament that this should happen, yet we think it is perfectly in order for women to be imprisoned by these practices in the midst of free societies. Expressing certainty that these practices are unacceptable is itself apparently not acceptable. It will be interpreted as racism or Islamophobia. And so liberals in the West remain largely silent to the injustices that are being suffered by Muslim women in ghettos in Western cities — like London or Toronto or Paris — where Muslim practices are all but mandatory, even though women can be found who will tell you that they wear the hijab willingly as an expression of their faith. I think we must do better than that. For all Vernon’s religious talk about the fulness of being human, we need to recognise that religion has no monopoly on what it means to be human, and we need to be prepared to subvert religious ideas of humanity in favour of ideas which can be given a more secure foundation in critical thought about political society and how best and most justly we can organise our relationships.
Is there any significance to the fact that I am reading this as I savour my wonderful triple espresso?
-evan
Ah, well, yes of course, such high powered stimulation can only precipitate extremes! You are condemned out of your own cup!
There is nothing surprising about the Vernon position. If someone wants to feel comfortable believing ridiculous things on the basis of no evidence, he will try to drag science down to the level of religion, and then say that all of us are on the same footing. That’s what Jerry Coyne has complained about with respect to Accomodationism’s attempts to debase science. The mistake that the Mark Vernons of the world make is that they think that doubt implies that there are no epistemic standards to apply, that if it is possible that any claims are false, then any claims are as justified as any other claims. That is a complete non sequitur. Science acknowledges that it is possible that we currently claim things that are false. The history of science is enough to make that point. That is why we constantly seek out new evidence and revise our claims accordingly. But that doesn’t mean that all claims are equally justified. The claim that Jesus rose from the dead after three days is not on the same epistemic footing as Evolutionary Theory. One of these is massively supported by the evidence, and one isn’t. The religious would like to reduce both of these to “opinion”, and ignore the gaping epistemic chasm between them. They will then cry “scientism” or “dogmatism” when you point out that tremendous difference in epistemic status. Or worse yet, they will claim that science is as much a matter of faith as religion. The methods differ but the goal is the same, dragging science down to the level of religion.
First, I really get tired of the whole ‘new atheist’ routine. There’s really no such thing as a ‘new atheist.’ As far as I can see it’s the same old atheism practiced since Epicurus laid out much of it twenty-three centuries ago.
Second, there is a huge difference between atheists and fundamentalists. Athiests don’t believe in gods. None of them. Fundamentalists believe in either one-god or a pantheon of gods (but are, kind of ironically, atheists to all other religious belief systems considering them false). In short, one is a negative position (lack of evidence (and wishful thinking) leading to atheism) while the other is a positive position (claims of existence despite lack of evidence (due to lack rational thinkinacculturationon)).
So, while I know the ‘you can’t prove a negative’ saw isn’t entirely unfalsifiable, in this case it is unfalsifiable. So, like most atheists, I’m happy to say there is no god/gods because the positive, which is much easier to prove, has failed to be demonstrated. So, while I can’t prove it I don’t have I don’t have to submit proof as I’m not making a positive, falsifiable claim. I should also note that, frankly, if the whole ‘god concept’ wasn’t shoved down my throat as a child, the question would never arise as I have no need for the concept.
OTOH, religion does make truth claims. And when we test them, the truths frequently fail and are changed into ‘metaphors and allegories’ and lose their ‘universal truth.’
As an aside, I think the reaction against ‘new atheists’ is that they’re getting the limelight. And the lucrative book deals/sales. And the TV spots. Whereas the ‘moderates’ are, pretty much, ignored.
moseszd,
It seems that you argued
(1) Atheism is just the lack of belief that there are gods.
(2) “I’m happy to say there is no god/gods.”
(3) Religion makes truth claims.
Isn’t (2) a “truth claim”? If not, what is it? So, what is the “OTOH” supposed to mean?
I think (1) is reasonable as a definitional claim, although many atheists further claim that there are no gods. I’m happy to say there are no gods too, i.e. claim there are no gods. I’m happy to say that because it’s justified by the evidence. We’ve tested the God Hypothesis for centuries without any confirming evidence whatsoever. Beyond that, it violates everything we’ve learned about where agents come from, and finally we know that the god concept is derived from mistakes in early human history brought about by biases in human psychology. All of that is justifying. So, why should we tie ourselves in loops rather than simply claiming that there are no gods. People are so afraid of “being dogmatists” that they confuse actual dogmatism with the normal, provisional claim-making based on evidence that is the stock-in-trade of science.
Tricky stuff defining Atheism (we are trying to define an absence after all). I suspect that there are shades of atheism. Probably most are reasonably certain that there are no gods – an evidential position.
But there are also some that are absolutely certain that there are no gods, and the ‘absolutely’ implies (to me) that this is a faith position. A negative faith position perhaps, but one that the godstruck delight in labelling ‘just another religion’.
I suspect that there are other shades of atheism too (like non-interacting deists or dead creators perhaps?) but I don’t want to submerge the debate in finer and finer sliced definitions.
DiscoveredJ,
What is tricky about defining atheism? Nothing. I don’t see how this comes up again and again, even when it’s not relevant. I only mentioned it at all because I can’t understand why people are apologetic or remarkably circuitous when claiming that there are no gods. Nor can I understand why anyone would think there is anything wrong with making “truth claims” if by those they mean “claims” or “claims that something is true”. Making claims to truth is a normal part of science and life in general. It’s making claims to truth when you have no evidence to support those claims which is pathological.
It was a paragraph. Not a sentence. And, in fact, it was a complex paragraph because it was running with multiple ideas in sort of a communication/mental short-hand as explaining everything in some anal rententive fashion isn’t interesting enough for me to expand upon.
I think a good bit of research into the philosophy of science (and therefore naturalism) might sway the opinion of scientific minded atheists to think again about whether science gives them ‘truths’ from which to argue. I think it is a monumental mistake atheists are making to put their ‘faith’ in science. Science is great at giving us naturalistic explanations about the world, that’s all. It doesn’t solve our human problems.
Egbert,
Would you care to give us a concrete example of a “human problem” that you think requires a supernatural solution/
Egbert,
Who is putting “faith” is science? Science doesn’t solve human problems? Science solves our epistemic problems, finding out what the world is like. Those aren’t our only problems, but our epistemic problems are certainly problems that humans have. This anti-science sentiment that you’re expressing is sadly prevalent among the religious right and left, and among people in the humanities outside philosophy, but there is really nothing to back it up.
I suppose our human problems exist only in a supernatural world and not the natural world? How many problems has science solved that aren’t human problems?
Sorry, but science and religion don’t start off on a blank slate. The inductive argument against religion is strong; how many successful hits of explanation does science have compared to religion? How many religious ideas were corrected by science? How many scientific ideas were corrected by religion?
Imagine science is a horse that has won all of its races so far and religion has won none of them. Which horse would you bet on if they were put in a race together?
Obviously I’m not talking about supernaturalism, not all science is natural science, and not everything we do is based on science.
Egbert,
Not everything we do is wholly “based on science”. That is consistent with the claim that the justification of claims comes solely from empirical inquiry. Almost everything we do requires beliefs and public claims about the world, and the justificatory status of those beliefs and claims depends on that empirical inquiry.
Oh brother.
Again we’re confronted with the false equivalence fallacy.
Science deals in things we can know.
Religion deals in things we cannot know.
Science expresses uncertainty in the things we can know, and is constantly striving to push things we don’t know into the realm of things that we might know just a little bit more.
Religion expresses certainty in the things we cannot know. And when their certitude is challenged by the basic facts of the matter, declare their certainty to be metaphorical. But nonetheless real and equivalent to scientific knowledge.
What crap.
The two systems of thought cannot be more diametrically opposed. And yet, theologians continue to tell us over and over and over again that they’re equivalent in some way.
Baloney.
I think that PZ’s question is always the best when dealing with this type of nonsense: How do you know what you’re saying is true? (And by ‘true’, I mean verifiable by a disinterested or hostile third party. Because theists are all about using ‘true’ as a code word meaning ‘absolutely unproven and unprovable’.)
It makes me angry — literally angry — that people actually choose to earn a living playing make-believe in this manner. And that anyone else in the world lends any credence to what they say.
It would be like JK Rowling telling everyone in the world that unless they start waving magic wands around, they’re not moral human beings. It’s disgusting.
Daniel Lafave,
2+2=4
What justification do you give for 2+2=4? Sure, we can prove it from Peano’s Axioms but what justification do you have for those axioms? Frege thought mathematics was analytic, although that didn’t work out and the concept of analyticity is suspect at best. Look, the philosophy of mathematics is crazy complicated, and until we have some idea what mathematical claims are even about, then it is ridiculous to speculate how they are justified. All sorts of other claims fall into this “There be dragons” category: mathematical claims, modal claims, semantic claims, normative claims, moral claims. These are the stock-in-trade of contemporary philosophy because they are puzzling areas. All of them have uncertain ontologies, uncertain semantics, and uncertain epistemologies. None of them refutes methodological naturalism, however, until someone can show that those claims can be justified by methods outside the scientific ones of empirical inquiry.
Obviously there is a problem of misunderstanding. My hint was that not all truths are empirical, and in the case of “2+2=4″ it is conceptual. The point I’m trying to get across is that having only a fixed naturalistic worldview is a failure of understanding. There has been a ‘change in the air’ among atheists who only have this fixed view, and they are beginning to sound robotic and dogmatic and even certain of their position. If my point is falling on deaf ears, then so be it.
Egbert,
There was no misunderstanding. I’m asking the very question of what is conceptual justification, how does it justify, and why is it a priori? I’m willing to believe that a posteriori conceptual justification might work, but that still requires observation about the social facts that ground conceptual relations. If you can explain how a priori conceptual justification might work, I’d be delighted to hear it.
It wasn’t obvious that you weren’t implying some belief in supernatural explanations, especially in view of your preceding statement that: “Science is great at giving us naturalistic explanations about the world, that’s all.”
The meaning of the statement “not all science is natural science” is also one that I find hard to parse – but I’d be interested to have an example of unnatural (or non-natural) science and an example of the type of “human problem” that it might address.
The confusion may simply be that you and I have different ideas about the use of the word “science”.